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nsa. >> documents leaked by former nsa contractor edward snowden detail thousands of privacy violations after repeated denials from the white house. >> what you are not reading rea about is the government gov actually abusing these programs. >> we'll discuss with a key member of the homeland security committee and critic of the nsa kentucky senator rand paul. >> and then another week of chaos in egypt as the interim government's crackdown on supporters of mohamed morsi leaves hundreds of people dead.. >> our pro decisional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being
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killed in the streets. >> we will discuss the deteriorating situation in the region and the u.s. response with republican congressman pete king from new york and richard bloom -- bloom nee -- bloomenthal. >> and forcing the obama administration to play defense. >> this is no longer aat w political debate. this is what we call the law. >> the president claims that this law is working the way it is supposed to. but clearly it is not. >> we will ask our sundayn: w panel about the political fallout all right here on fox news sunday. hello again from fox newsinf in washington. more tough questions for the nsa after the "washington post" reported this week thatth the agency violated privacy rules thousands of times since n 2008. an internal audit obtained from edward snowden revealshe the most secretive spy agency
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intercepted phone calls and e-mails from citizens repeatedly during that time. and in some cases did not report the unauthorizedance surveillance. and now somew lawmakers are promising hearings. joining us with reaction is m rand paul, a member of the homeland security committeeenat and author of "government bullies." good to be with you this morning. >> good morning. >> it was just a little more a w than a week ago the presidentri insisted to the american a people there was an appropriate oversight of thesu nsa surveillance program and there was no talk of abuses. let's play what the presidentppn said. >> what you are not reading about is the government actually abusing these programs and listening in oncall people's phone calls or inappropriately reading people's e-mails. ema what you are hearing about is the prospect that these couldco be abused.
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>> what do you make of thatw th statement now that this newion information has come to light?ght? >> you know, i think the president fund fundamentally misunderstands the constitutional separation of powers. the checks and balances are supposed to come fromcome independent branches ofent government. so he thinks if he gets some lawyers together from the nsa and they do a power pointay, presentation and tell him everything is okay the nsa can police themselves.un one ofde the fundamental things our founders put in place was they wanted to separate police power from the judiciary power. they didn't want the police to write warrantses and the nsa are a type of police.depe they president whatted an open judiciary response with openith i think the constitutionalityk of these programs needs to be questioned and there needs to be a supreme court decisionde that looks at whether or notr or what they are doing istitu constitutional or not. >> one of the most strikings revelations is the foreignce intelligence surveillances
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court does not havedict jurisdiction to pursue investigations intoco compliance. does that need to change? >> well, there is a couple of problems. oneem they may not havehave jurisdiction. two, they are only hearing onef side of this. so if you were to go sit down in a room and the nsa tellsthey you why they are doing all of these things correctly you have no means of challengingve n that. you have no means of alternative information and without this snowden leak in we fact we wouldn't even know of this internal audit . without the snowden leak wehave wouldn't have known that james clapper lied to us and lied to the senate and said we were not collecting any data on the americans and it turns out they are collecting billions of pieces of data on per cellery phones every day. >> according to the audit, a to lot of these violations were apparently unintentional.l. the nsa chose not to report some of these violations. it has a responsibility too. does that need to change? >> well, see they chose not to
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report the program, period. they said they weren't lookingg at american data or any phoney calls. it turns out they are looking at billions of phone calls every day. so i think the whole programpr needs to be reviewed, but it can't be an internal audit. there is a similarity between this scandal and all of the other scandals. they will do an internalin audit. he thought the state department could do an internal audit also. the thing is nobody was everrom fired in the state departmentno and no one has been fired in the irs. the director of national intelligence lied to the senate and greatly damaged the credibility of our intelligence community and nothing has happened. there areha no reprecussion cautions -- repercussions saying we had lawyers who camers together and said we work for the nsa.e on the only way to find justice is to hear both sides. to there really needs to be arom discussion from people who are a littlele more skeptical of the nsa in an open court i thinki th
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before the supreme court on this program. >> when congress comes back in a couple weeks do you believeto there needs to bento congressional hearings into all of this? >> yes, and i think legislation could help. the hard part is we only hear one side also. the nsa comes and they tell usus our side and they tell us their side and tell us how they foiled all of the plots. it turns out when there is a rea discussion back and forth they discovered they did not uniquely use the americansurv surveillance program to get anyone. i think they got most of the or terrorists or stopped most of the terrorists if not all of the plots by good p old-fashioned policeol work and getting warrants and wiretaps on people who they were suspicious of whom, -- of, whom they asked a judge about. i am for surveillance of spies, but not for the gross bulk gathering of data on all-americans. >> you are the most stria dent
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critics of the nsa program,. but with congressional hearings and more congressional oversight into the program with more duty to dt report compliance and other aspects of it, would you be comfortable enough with it to let it go ahead? >> you know, i think it would be better with more oversight, but there are some things they are doing i fund mentally think are unconstitutional. our founding father when'sthey they wrote the fourtht th amendment they said a single warrant goes toward a specific individual and what you want to look for. you ask a judge and you say john smith we think is doing this. we have probable cause to think he is involved with a crime. you get a warrant.nt. the constitution doesn't allow for a single warrant to get a billion phone records. they have a warrant that says we want all of verizon's phone calls. we want all of at&t's phone's calls. et they basically, i believe, probably are looking at all of the cell phone calls in america every day. also don't think it is good police work.i th we get overwhelmed with data.
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we have so much data that we don't notice when they go back to chechnya and his name isme misspelled and we don't know he has gone back. i think we need more people doing specific intelligence data on people who we have suspicion of rather than doing it on suspicion list searches of all-american phone calls. >> let me switch gears and talk to you about obamacare. that will be a big topic of discussion when congress comes back in a couple of weeks. you support the de funding of obamacare, but have you you acknowledged you don't believe it will have happened and wi won't get through the senate. the only leave -- lever may be to not approve the continuing resolution or one that includes funding. that would shutdown the government which you have stated publicly you don't think is a good idea. what do you have left here, senator? well, i don't think shutting down the government is a good idea. i do think that we were elected. conservatives were elected to try to stop this over reach,
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this government takeover of health care. it is not going to be good forte the american public. i think insurance premiumsrem will rise. i think the people they want to help precisely the working class and the poor who don't have insurance i think still won't have insurance and they will have a penalty.le w people want us to stand up and fight. i am willing to stand up and fight. we should use the leverage oful controlling one-third of thef t government. we don't control all of thee government. but republicans control the house of representatives. they should stand up and use that power to at the very least make this lawless bad, d delay it and do something we to protect the american public from this law or if we do nothing we are just say together president you get your way. that is not what the government is about.se when the government is dividednt we should use the leverage of controlling part of government to try tawo get the law more tov our liking. >> you talk about trying to pass a bill to de fund obamacare in the house. it wouldn't pass thoue senate up withtry to come
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some sort of compromise inse i conference that may delay implementation of the individual mandate. there are plenty of bills that have gone to conference that did not work in the end. the law is enacted as it is. do you think that will happen in this case? >> i don't know. not there is always a great desiren. not to shut the government down. you use that dear to get a compromise. i think ultimately you coulditte either make the lawless bad orin delay the individual mandate or delay the whole thing. even the president is very concerned about this law because he is delaying thehe individual -- the employer mandate because she concernedd a maybe about what will happen in the elections when it is seen that insurance premiums p go up and actually there are more problems than there areare benefits.wo >> you have said you will not vote for a continuing resolution in the senate if it r includes funding for you obamacare. even if you don't vote for it, it will pass the senate. if your colleagues did the same thing as you suggest you
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would, it would shutdown thement government because the resolution wouldn't pass. it might lead some people to wonder if you are trying toha have it both ways while the house has to have it one way. >> i think what would happen is if the house voted to debama fund obamacare it would comee to to the senate.e the senate would approve obamacare funding.fund it would go to conference committee, and then i think a a compromise would be achieved. it is only achieved if thehiev house stands up, uses and asserts their belief that obamacare is a bad law andwill will hurt people, and if theyd p stand up and are strong, then i think the i strength of that learns would be used to achieve a compromise.but, if we announce defeat in advance as some had, it destroys the effort we are trying to do.tive there are many conservatives, like myself, standing up and saying obamacare will be acoun disaster for the country. as i travel around kentucky and around the country peoplemeu come up to me and say stand firm, stand up.o try to stop this monstrosity.
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it will be bad for the be country. >> senate majority leader harry reid asked the public broadcasting system was if the f ultimate goal was to move to a single payer sis ste. he responded according to forbes, magazine, yes, yes, absolutely yes. if they tried to move obamacare to a single payer system, what would your response be?>> >> i think it is amazing sometimes when politicians are forthright. he hasow admitted now that thath is their goal. people have to think about it. the goal of single payer may mean everybody gets medicaid. if you are excited about going on medicaid you need to voteid a with harry reid and with the president. thi i think it is a bad idea.85% 85% of us had health insurance. t we should haveri tried to fix te the system for the 15% who didn't instead of destroying it for everyone in the countryt who actually had good health insurance. the president did nothing
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about prices rising.es he has made insurance more mor expensive because of his mandates and making thehe insurance cover more items. you issued a statement after the carnage of wednesdaywe calling on the president to end foreign assistance to egypt. but that relationship does a number of things, requires camp david and american overtary flights without priorno notification and moves u.s. warships to the front of the line at the suez canal.if y if you moved the militarytanc assistance could youda potentially damage the relationship the united states needs to have with the very important ally in the middle east. the law is what the law is.rren the president is in defiance of the law.. the law is very explicit. when there is a militarytake takeover our aide must end. not that it might end and heet will sit around deciding if it e will end. >> there are ways to avoid that which the president is pursuing.av now the question is would
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ending military aide to egypt be a prudent thing to do? >> yes because i don't think we are buying love of then egyptian people. when they see an american tank on the street and they are shot down and rolled over, do you think that buys any e egyptian with th people? what happens is basically foreign aid to egypt is more lavish for a sat toe or dictator than to buy bread for people in cairo. we are not winning the heartsins and minds of those in egypt.l th all they do is see our aide aso something that goes to thele people that are the dictators i taking away their rights for generations. they see it stolen. mubarak stole it by the billions and he had fancy homes all-around the world mo with our money. it has to end. h we don't have it and it is counterproductive.th
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those who want to continue this aide they say we areca projectingn american power andh it is exactley the opposite. they are projecting american weakness. we are so weak that we will not even adhere to our own conditions on this aide. it is not mod due latinghavi behavior.in the egyptians keep doing theth same thing. when they rollnk tanks overmost protesters, that's notsupp something most would support. >> time is growing short, senator.t we just have a few seconds left. i would like to look ati politics for a second. 24r* has been a public spat between your camp and thest chris christie camp which youo said earlier you would like to diffuse maybe over a beer, but c it continues because after governor christie's statements about the republican party should be trying to win elections and not having fight over ideology. and someone said we shouldn't be the party of ideas ideas and shouldn't care if we stand for anything, we shouldn't stand for anything. private terrorism is the problem and not the --
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privatism is the problem and not th e solution. and then christie offers nothing is what your father says. do you agree with your father? the party is big enough for the both of us and big enoughloe for a lot of republicans. this all started with him saying we don't have room for libertarian republicans. the thing is that's how wean grow our party. we libertarian republicans like myself care about the right to privacy.we we care about a more moderate and less uh great ease sighessi foreign policy.k th -- less aggressive more than policy. that will bring new people to our party. the party in the northeast isstd shrinking, almost down to nothing. they need to be looking to people with new and differentffr ideas who will attract youth and independent and democratsso to our party.here saying there is no room for us was a big mistake on theireir part.ll c i will continue to say we grow the party by embracing theseat issues that have to do withndiv individual freedom and alsoeedo the right to privacy.acy. >> but again do you agree withnb
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your father when he says governor christie offershe s nothing? >> what i would say is thatuld there is room for people who believe in bigger government in our party. k i think some of the thingsha that het seems to have promoted make us believe that, well, he thinks that there is a lot more spending that could go on.nk i think the national defense is a priority for our country and the only waye we have enough money for a national defense is to be very, very frugal with other spending and that is a valid disagreement. >> senator, thank you for. joining us. >> thank you.nk with the continuing turmoil in egypt, a lot of eyes are on the u.s. and itsns response. we talk about what the u.s. should do with two key lawmakers coming up next.
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while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back.not as a result, this morning we notified the egyptian government that we are can selling our bi-annual joint military exercise that was scheduled for next month. >> president obama walking ane fine linxte in his responseg a criticizing the growing violence in egypt. now egyptian authorities sayyp they are considering whether to ban the muslim brotherhood, the group that came to power a year ago when ousted president morsi took office in the first free presidential elections. leyland vitard has the latest on the situation in the ground d
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for us. good afternoon.oon, >> good afternoon, john., the muslim brotherhood's week of rage has turned into an armed insurrection. ins day three, armor tanks and personnel surrounded the supreme courtti there as they had intelligence that muslim brotherhood gunmen were headed there and oftentimes theyof triedte not only to protest, but take over these government buildings.ngs. yesterday gunmen used one of the main mosques to fire out not only at the crowd, but also at the army down below. the police had to fight their way in and there were muslim brotherhood supporters that were attacking a police station.afte they will clear the mosque out and as the police came out they were greeted by cheers gre from the surrounding groups there. the military is now thinking of of outlawing the muslim brotherhood and they haveread already begun mass arrests of their leadership including this guy al al jarrah here re. he is a jihadist there in egypt who is well known. today on the streets of egypt there has been a little return t
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to normalcy.etur banks are open and the stock market is open. it is important to know that despite the bloodshed we have seen in egypt, the army hastill widespread popular support for this crackdown of the muslim brotherhood that is proving much more to be something of amu violent militant organization than a peaceful, political group. back to you. of support from their that i bores in the region. and -- from their neighbors in the region. and joining us now is pete king in new york, member of of the intelligence committees and democratic senator richardn bloomenthal on the senatee. armed services committee.elco welcome to both of you. let's start off by going back to the president at martha's vineyard and more reaction to wednesday's bloodshed. >> we don't take sides with any particular party or political figure. i know it is tempting inside egypt to blame the united states or the west or some other outside actor for whatwhat has gone wrong.
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we have been blamed by the supporters of morsi. we have been blamed by the other side as if we are supporters of morsi. >> senator bloomenthall, trying to walk a fine line and i a neutral line has alienated both sides. what is your opinion of how heal has handled this crisis? cr >> i agree with the president that the people of egypt have to decide their own future. bloodshed, the violence in the streets has to stop. the practical reality is that most of the military aid for this fiscal year, 2013 has be already been obligated andered delivered. in fact, all of it except four f-16's and some helicopters. looking forward i think that the approach has to be the condition our future aide on specific steps toward the rule of law and return to democracy, respect for minorities and women and a
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more inclusive politicaling process including the released of prisoners so the aide isel released in blocks that are tho conditioned on those steps. i hope the president willt support that approach which is contained in the amendment offered by senators leahy andtos graham to the prop operation subcommittee bill that willme t come to the floor. >> what are your thoughts on that?ough should the president as senators graham, mccain anded c rand paul suggested cutoff all aide, or is your colleague suggesting making it conditional? >> we shouldn't cutoff all aide -- there are no good choices in egypt. there are no good guys here. of the two there is more opportunity to protect american interests if we work with the military and continue our relationship with the military. we haveto to have access to the suez canal and al-qaeda shouldn't continue to gain a foot hold. the treaty should beto enforced. i don't think that can be donetn with the muslim brotherhood. it possibly can be done with the military. we should retain our relationship with the military.
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obviously we should use this u as ase bargaining wedge and lean onai the military. but i would not want to underoun cut them and allow the muslim brotherhood to come back because they have shown they are not capable of democracy. i don't know if our media goal should be democracy per say. i would say a stable government, if that can bespec done, because as for what we saw over the last few years of the arab spring, i don't knowhis if this moment in time a democracy is in store for egypt. we can influence that. >> do you agree that it is not in the cards for egypt? >> well, democracy is in the eye of the beholder. u it is unique in the world and we are the greatest nation in the history of the world because we have a unique respect for the rights of minorities and individuals, every individual.er we can impose our own vision of democracy on a country like
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egypt. i do agree that our strategic interests merit strong respect , access to airspace over egypt as well as the suez canal and the insistence and we should maketh it even stronger that the cyanide belice policed to effectively end human trafficking. maybe as important as anything else is closer consultation with someme of our allies in the region. the gulf states as well as israel on what our approach going forward should be. i think we will find that aide m that we may withhold is compensated by aide that the gulf states may provide and even exceeding the amount of aide we would provide. so i disagree with senator paul on eliminating aide and can selling it and i do, by the i what, agree with senatorl paud that the court needs to hear both sides and we have to have a special advocate.
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i am very pleased he has endorsed the concept and in fact the specific blueprint i have offered for a special advocate and also thent president seemed to endorse inta his statement last week.k. >> since you bring it up let me switch gears and go to the latest revelations on theabou nsa. keith alexzander was in las vegas at the end of last monthge and he gave assurances that the nsa is complying with thehat law and there are appropriate checks and balances. here is what he said. >> i think it is important tortn understand the strict oversight that goes in onth these programs. because the assumption is that people are out there just wheeling and dealing. and nothing could be further from the truth.mp weli have tremendous oversight in these programs. >> congressman you are a staunch defender of the nsa and the programs. you call the people who work there patriots and would appear clear that mistakes are e being made and in many cases
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they are not as they should be reporting those mistakes. >> i totally disagree withwi that and i fully disagree with what senator rand paul says. it was a grab bag. the fact is look at this, takea rand paul's numbers. bei there are billions of phone call.s being collected. you jukes tau pose that with 2800 violations that were self-reported by the nsa which should not violate anyone's rights. you are talking about 1900m be being foreigners. when they came to the u.s. because of a foreign mobile phone it was not transferred the way it should be. records were kept by -- wereme kept.so they somehow can use the information.e whatever mistakes were made and 99.99% batting average, that's better than most mediaope people do and most politicians
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do and i have a tremendousen respect foerr general alexzander and the nsa and the whole tone a of snooping and spying we use is horrible. it is a smear and slander of good, patriotic americans. >> holdic on.on f you said everything wasvery self-reported by the nsa. the documents leaked clearlyearl show many of the violationsions were not appropriately reported, at least not to the foreign intelligence surveillance court whoset th members complain they do not have the power to initiatein investigations intono non-compliance. is there a problem here? >> no, there is no the aa problem. the fact is, it worked. if you have 99.99% compliance and you have self-reporting errors this came from an internal report which then becomes part of an over all igrt report. i'm i am on the intelligence committee. i am satisfied we are told what the nsa is doing.he john, who else has a 99.9% -- >> did you know all of what was reported at the end of the w week?
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>> it was all available and nothing bothers me. quite frankly it shows that it works. >> anything in that report and anything in the reports thatre came to light at the and of the week that bother you? >> there is a lot that bathersne me. i share congressman cane's report for the brave and dedicated men and women who do our national security work. the problem, and there is a real problem is with the system. it is i a black box -- the foreign intelligence court is a see yet tribunal with secret opinions and secret law and a lot of it completely unavailable to members even of the foreign intelligence committee. i believe there needs to be changes in the fisa court. it is so it can better uncover and scrutinize and oversee potential abuses. i would establish a special advocate who would be responsible in affect for
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representing the constitution. no delay or lack of securityty b because there would be pre clearance and warrants would be issued as they are now as rapidly as presently goes on. but also a change in the method of selecting the courtt to represent greater diversity and greater transparency in the operations to the extentexte possible. so i think we are at a critical junk -- juncture, aere turning point. there needs to be continuedlanc surveillance and intelligencehei gathering. the trust and the credibility, the system is gravely at risk and that's why we need these transparency and accountability reforms.co >> it is clearun that this is r going to be a big topic ofar t discussion when congress returns after the labor dayf weekend. w nancy pelosi said in response to the disclosure at the end of the week,ek the national agency broke privacy rules thousands of times a year and reportedly sought to shield the required disclosure of privacy violations and are
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extremely disturbing. d do you think she is way off inao left field here? >> i think she is wrong. i would wish he looked into it more carefully. it is up to the president to's u come forward and defend it.an i mean, i am out here and mike rogers and a number of us aree r defending a program. this is the president's program. the president of the united mores should be aggressive in defending and here and that's why a lot of the distortionsstor like rand paul who don't know what they are talking about can take hold. the president has been relatively silent. he has spoken twice to the nsa.ys a he should be addressing the nation on this and going intoto detail. if there have to. be reforms, fine, address them, but in an intelligent way.igen i agree with his tone andne attitude and i think that isink an area we can discuss. what bothers me are the people talking about snooping and spying and acting with a corrupt operation going on here.if w if woo can do some things inin t the court without giving away
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secret information let's have an intelligent debate. >> you declared your desire to run for president in 2016, so if successful maybe you will have a chance to defend the program. thank you for joining us. good to see you.nk y >> thank you, senator. >> thank you. >> next, moreha on this week's x revelations that the nsa broke privacy rules.la the agency chalks it up to aalks mistake. and what happens when the super secret spy agency gets sloppy. our sunday panel joins us next.
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i think it has taken hold not only among the public, but n around the world that somehow we are out there willy nilly jus just succeeding in information on information and doing what we please. >> they are defending the government against accusations of domestic spying and in a way to prevent abuse and the "washington post" is claiming of oversight. our former democratic congressman dennis could you. sin niche and -- kussinich. >> it is fairly in context as congressman king just said of the overall number ever --
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number of calls being put into a database on where in theamou amount of work the nsa is actually doing. i think the number one question, the only question here is there evidence that the government is abusing its power to spy on americans? la despite all of the conversations, we don't have any evidence of that. >> do you believe that? >> john, anytime our privacy is at stake, americans have to take that seriously.y. some changes do need to be made. 24r* needs to bead an advocate for privacy.inte having served on the committee for years there needs to be more resources so the independent branches of government including the courts can police this thing. km as kimberly was just saying, 80% of the violations were technical in nature or involve type graphical errors.re 100% were inadd veer taint. the fact that they ared self-reporting and wantgi to comply should give some comfort. there is not a vast conspiracyte where theynt are lining in on
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the conversations.inte congressman, you know and younge came out strongly on this topic that these violations were not reported to ther en foreign intelligence committee. >> h largely kept in the dark,gn the intelligence court kept in the dark and the presidentare. isn't aware and so when you have the fourth amendment at her stake here and by reference to h the first amendment we have an obligation and it appears the nsa has gone rogue. we have to insist that they be reined in to protect the privacy of americans and stop the intrusion of e-mails ands an phone calls and go back to having a country that works on o the fourth amendment and protect against unreasonableo an search and seizure and get a warrant. we won't get the whole hey
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stack to get the needle. >> it is troubling and i think this is a great conversation because weis should be having moreover sight of the agency even a dianne feinstein says we need more m information and we need moreover sight. your right to privacy, ourour right to privacy needs to be be balanced against my right and your right to be protected against a a terrorist attack. i think we have must have information now -- these are good debate touses have. debates to have. we have a lot of classified, true to know what does work to prevent an attack. one of the important things senator paul brings up is that is there so much information that we are losing that really good information onfo the ground intelligence. >> how do you ever sift through it all? >> to push back, what are we we talking about? we want a program that does its job effective explee safeguards rights.e --y physical tiffly andpu
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safeguards rights.t the court needsne moreover sight or oversight in general.u a lot of really smart peopleoi have pointed out the most s effective way to show the executive branch puts these things into place actually does its job and actually makes sure the program is to know it itself is politically responsible when things go wrong and doesn't work. one of the problems of putting an advocate in or having the court of maury responsibility -- morelv response silt you are layeringe on and layering on and everybody gets to point their finger and say we need a commission to say what went wrong. >> some of these things are wor correctable. 10% of the errors are typographical. the wrong area code and certainly we can do better than that.reig a foreign cell phone isnt brought into the united stateso and the system is not able to differentiate that.ff the technicians need to work on that. senator paul is focusing on this and anytime our privacy
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is at stake that is important. but you don't want to throwhe b the baby out with the bath water. having been on the committee there were not enough resources to independently oversee this. having the capacity to do that is important and making surethe the court can doco that is importantjo and whether you call them an advocate is not more beurocracy, but it is standing in the rights of the americans m to make sure the appropriateate balance is struck. >> i like to say this and i will say it again.ag i voted against the patriot rea act because i read it. most members of congress did not.they they had 12 hours of hearings and then at the end they swapped the bill out. they had the draw cone yen power to reach into people's lives.have we have let the nsa redefine who we arere as americans and that is not acceptable. >> there is an interesting split in the debatn:e here. on one side you have no big deal and you have people like congressman -- >> i don't think it is not no cn big deal.
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everybody agrees that privacy rights are important and thathi this is a good debate to be had. >> if the software mistake scoops up the phone records of 3,000 people in washington, d.c. -- >> and if nothing happens from that. >> that is something to be concerned about. >> what evidence is there of any abuse? >> 100% as far as we know 100% of mistakes are inadvertent. we had to correct as many ascorr possible, but it is not the government intentionally out there recording our conversations. >> i just really, resist when rs the temple -- when the term scandal and agency gone rogue is applied to this. this is a program -- the bones of the program are needed i think. we need to make sure there is oversight of that program soso -- it' l >> last word. >> cia, hello? we have a cia? what is the nsa really about? they have over reached intoha people's private lives and there should be consequences for that.di >> panel, we have to take a break here. when we come back, new jersey
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governor chris christie said to take the focus of thesw winning party. is this feud good for the candidates, but bad for the party?ut b our sunday panel talks politics coming up next.
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another delay for obamacare with hurdles continuing to amount for the law. will republicans be able tomurd take advantage? we are back with the panel. adv the plan is to de fund thisthe thing and maybe wrap that around the continuing res dyings at the end of the --t resolution at the end of the month. nina, do they have a chance oftt doing that?y do >> they don't.ol o they control the house.y co
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they don't control the senateus. and they don't control the white house.se co i think it is a mistake to pick a fight like that you can't win. what is going to happen whenn you threaten to shutdown the government? it is going to go to the detriment of the republicanget party. they will get blamed. if you are looking at a on strategic mistake on the part of republicans that want to do that. >> senator paul said he doesn't believe in shutting doe down the government, but he would like to see the individual mandate delayed. is it unfair to delay the employer and mandate the out of pocket limits and the criteria of ensure built andcrit then say oh by the way, you have to have health insurance? >> it is not fair. it is starting to look like a train where they are decoupling the engine from the -- the passengers from the engine. it is starting to move forward, but who is on it? what we have is a situation where there are still tens ofs o millions of americans withoutt adequate health carere coverage. we have a system where the insurance company raises our rates. they riel get more profits and
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you -- they will get more profits and you can cap out oflt pocket expenses. there is already americansof going broke by the cold front, o of health care. it is a mess. fal >> you have to look at some of thece things they have delayed in terms of the employers of mandate and out of pocket limits.they are they doing that in part because of what it is doing to insuranc pe premiums? we are likely to see an explosion in the fall.age the public outrage will be huge.is a this alongside with the fact that they have them furiouslytr trying to sign people up for this and do you know how manyg o people don't sign up at the moment for medicaid which is also basically free health care for people at a certain a health care level? it is there and it is available to them. i think only one in four people eligible don't sign up,nu why would they sign up for obamacare? senator harry reid did anrry interview with a local pbs station and they said what is the ultimate goal of obamacare
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to move it to a single payerr system and here is what he he said. >> what we have done here with o the obamacare is a step in the right direction. r we are far from having something that will work for -- >> so basically beyondutel insurance. >> absolutely yes. >> absolutely work beyond insurance. is that the ultimate goal here?al >> like all of us who give lots and lots of interviews, the leader occasionally missth speaks and this may have been one of those occasions. >> maybe.mi >> the important thing is to try and deal with the >> maybe. >> the important thing to deal > with the law on the books now. it is a large, complex piece of legislation. nobody thought it would be perfect from the get go. changes have to be made. the administration is showingra something of a pragmatic streak adjusting, delaying things not i ready to go.nt the most important thing in the american people's mind, how to get the costs down. wh if you delay the mandate, it may help in the short run, have to look at pre-existing conditions,
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lifetime caps, hard to do one without the other. i think we're probably a year oi two before we know how this wiln play out. one final thing i would like to say, kaiser foundation did do a study which indicated if you i repealed thef whole thing you g, would see costs go up by a thousand to 800 for an individual policy.st >> we promised politics. the rnc had a summer meeting rolling out new tools to match the democrats in their big datan collection. they gotlu handed their lunch o that in 2012.e the democrats had time to move ahead fromfr that.es t does the rnc have a chance to beat the democrats at their own game? >> there's the word of -- the democrats outstripped republicans in 2012 on all the get out the vote effort, social media and so forth, and frankly in fairness, the republican ha ticket has time to build that r,
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kind of infrastructure. i think that's -- but the other thing about the rnc meeting we're seeing is that there will be anbe interesting split with u republican party coming up with the more libertarian wing clearly has and tea party wing a is going to have a very strong voice in the next round. >> what do you make of staff between governor christie and senator paul?n >> i think it reflects what ought to be happening in -- political parties, real debate h over who we are as a country. be should we be intervening, spying, invading privacy. >> lot of mud slinging. >>o you know what, politics -- >> when you look at the potential field, 2016 candidates, rubio, ryan, paul, christie, ayotte, bobby jindal, on the democratic side, hillary. the fact that the republican field is broad, would that be good or bad? >> you would like to think it ch
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would be a hopeful thing, have some positive debates on really strong policy issues and this r could be aa race to the top, rather than race to the bottom. the question is going to be g whether or not this is mud om slinging or gets to something - >> did anybody beat hillary? >> short answer, no, particularlyt w right wing of te republican party draws them from mainstream, can't offend women, hispanics, young people and win presidential elections in this country. >> thanks for joining r us. good to see you.ur d the discussion continues every y sunday on o panel plus.go we have a lot to talk about thit morning. find it on our website at foxnewssunday.com. up next, power player of the week, encouraging all of us to slow down through poetry. jackie: there are plenty of things i prefer to do on my own. but when it comes to investing,
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continues to play. not as accessible as prose, as immediate as video images, but conveying something important, something different. >> sometimes our everyday speech has a way of saying this is me and that's you and we're different. i think poetry has a way of saying this is my experience, you can share in it with me. >> truth be told, i do not want to forget anything of my former life. >> she's the 19th poet laurie at, working out of library of congress, her job is to spread her love of poetry. >> i get inspired, helps me to write poems to be here. >> describes her role as cheerleader. >> in a former life was cheerleader, seems a natural way to think about being excited about something, being passionate about something, means a lot to me that i would like to convey to other people. >> her father white, her mother
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black. they had to leave mississippi in the '60s to get married. how do you think it effected you the idea that your parents' marriage was a crime? >> i think it created in me a sense of psychological exile. >> when she was 19, her mother was murdered by her former stepfather. >> that's the moment i really tried in the language of poetry to make that loss. >> here the dead stand up in stone, white marble on confederate avenue. i stand on ground once hallowed by a web of caves. >> one of the themes of her work is memory, what gets left out of the nation's public record. she won a pulitzer prize in 2007 for native guard, about a forgotten black union regiment that fought in the civil war. >> we know it is our duty to keep white men as prisoners, rebel soldiers would be master's. >> she wrote that poem in the library's reading room in seat
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170. sometimes she would look up at a pillar marked poetry. >> now when i do it, i can't see the word poetry so clearly, but i have faith it is there. >> so she will continue to cheerlead, for an artform that forces you to slow down and contemplate, in a world that doesn't always value that. >> trying to find a way to say what seems so necessary to be said but so difficult also to someone that i can speak very intimately to, across time and space on the page. that is thrilling to me. >> this summer, library of congress appointed her to a second term, but her time in washington is coming to an end. she says she's going to spend her second term teaching at emory university and touring the country to see how poetry lives. that's it for today. have a great week. thanks for joining us. see you again next fox news sunday. l see you again next fox
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news sunday. fox news sunday is a presentation of this is the fox report. tonight, calls from republicans over defunding obama care growing louder. now one lawmaker shares his plan to get rid of the president's signature legislation. and your tax dollars and egypt front and center in the debate over whether to continue providing aid to a country spiraling out of control. >> we could be cutting off the aid, spare parts and maintenance of these military equipment that we've given. >> i do believe we can send a strong signal by suspending aid. >> there's a lot at stake here for us and them. if you had a